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Subject: Re: Space Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:42 pm

Ok, we talked about time in the other thread, let's talk about "space" now.

I saw you used the word "vaccum". Again, I think there's still a misconception about the term "space" that I used, and the term "space" that you used. Let's clarify that now.

When we say "space", we normally think about the vaccum outside our stratosphere, ie: the medium where the space ships travel through, or lights travel through. This is the normal term "space". This "space" is contained within the universe or the galaxies however big they span. These "spaces" are sub-units of the universe or galaxies as we know it. To differentiate, I usually refer to them as "space pockets" because they're finite in size ie: they are bounded by the size of the universe or galaxies.

However, that is not the "space" I was refering to when I talk about the concepts of time and space. This "space" that I refered to, is infinite. This "space" is where the universe grows in size in. Scientists have already proven that the universe is expanding; its size is not fixed.

So this "space" continuum contains this universe as well as other universes ie: planes of existence.

I hope that is clearer.

Subject: Re: Space Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:48 pm

Triss wrote:

Ok, we talked about time in the other thread, let's talk about "space" now.

I saw you used the word "vaccum". Again, I think there's still a misconception about the term "space" that I used, and the term "space" that you used. Let's clarify that now.

When we say "space", we normally think about the vaccum outside out stratosphere, ie: the medium where the space ships travel through, or lights travel through. This is the normal term "space". This "space" is contained within the universe or the galaxies however big they span. These "spaces" are sub-units of the universe or galaxies as we know it. To differentiate, I usually refer to them as "space pockets" because they're finite in size ie: they are bounded by the size of the universe or galaxies.

However, that is not the "space" I was refering to when I talk about the concepts of time and space. This "space" is infinite. This "space" is where the universe grows in size in. Scientists have already proven that the universe is expanding; its size is not fixed.

So this "space" continuum contains this universe as well as other universes ie: planes of existence.

I hope that is clearer.

Agreed, i think we're both on about the same space. But i was using the same term while talking about 2 different things in my earlier post which caused the confusion.

However, the purpose of it was, like you said, to show the finiteness of something which is (so far) massless AND to show its confinement to time itself too. Simply using it as the best possible example of something which COULD satisfy all 3, but fails.

Edit:

Edited out what i was editing in simply cuz i was getting off-topic and cheesy in my edit :P

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Subject: Re: Space Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:01 am

the space where the universe grow in... hm... interesting. this would bring us back to the theory that our universe exists in another much bigger universe...

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So this "space" continuum contains this universe as well as other universes ie: planes of existence.

i doubt that another plane of existence is so far away. if would take forever to reach it... i still think that IF there are other planes of existence there are in this universe (out of phase for example).

Subject: Re: Space Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:24 pm

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However, that is not the "space" I was referring to when I talk about the concepts of time and space. This "space" is infinite. This "space" is where the universe grows in size in. Scientists have already proven that the universe is expanding; its size is not fixed.

So this "space" continuum contains this universe as well as other universes ie: planes of existence.

Are you suggesting that 'universes' expand and contract on a universal matrix of fields? how many dimensions would such a matrix have? That would suggest that the underlying nature of reality is not continuum but a space of finite-size 'dots'/'atoms'/'fields'?

Subject: Re: Space Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:07 pm

Our universe is not a continuum. Rather, our universe is just a subset belong to the infinite space continuum. The reason is simple; our universe is finite in size (although it is still growing) containing so many atoms, so many space pockets, etc..., whereas the space continuum is infinite.

As to how many dimensions there are in our universe, there are 3. However, there are infinite dimensions in the space continuum since there are other universes existing in this same continuum as well.

These universes occupy different dimensions in this same space continuum that our universe also occupies in; because of that, they are said to be on different planes of existence.

Our universe as well as these other universes are all under the influence of the time continuum. That means our universe has a birth (the big bang) and will also die after many milleniums; other universes also suffer the same fate. As universes die, other universes are also born. One scientific evidence is the death of stars (super nova) and new stars being born.

Subject: Re: Space Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:32 pm

Well space imo is best and most simple defined by....x,y an z :) ...we,and everything that surrounds us are all objects in this space...u can say we're filling it...as for the other notion u can simply refer to it like oldschool...Outer space Very Happy

...and the universe has 3 "spatial" dimensions...t

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Subject: Re: Space Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:44 pm

Not really... you said that "everything that surrounds us are all objects in this space"... but not true... there are many things in our world that do not occupy this space. An example is our thoughts.

Subject: Re: Space Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:51 am

our thoughts are electrical impulses that are in our nervous system. The talk about thinking of a place and then being there is bullshit because you are NOT there. Not even you mind/thoughts are there. You, your mind and your thoughts are in the same place where your brain is. The mind imagines or remember a thing/place and that's all. Everything you imagine is right there where your brain is. And electrical impulses and your brain tisue as well as the images you "see" (which are also only electrical impulses of your brain) do occupy this space.

Subject: Re: Space Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:51 am

Subject: Re: Space Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:59 am

i just said that your statement

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there are many things in our world that do not occupy this space. An example is our thoughts.

was wrong.

Subject: Re: Space Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:19 am

How is it wrong? your thoughts take up this space, or rather materialize in this space? or are they in your head?
I think your thoughts stay in your head man... so they do not occupy this space :)

Subject: Re: Space Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:30 am

toughts are things?... :)

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Subject: Re: Space Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:01 pm

Not things... but you said "everything"... to denote all. If you said "every things", then it's different.

Subject: Re: Space Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:23 pm

Triss wrote:

Not things... but you said "everything"... to denote all. If you said "every things", then it's different.

my bad... :)

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