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ViRuSaLeRt Noob Student - Level 3


Title: Pinky and the Brain
Memba of G.A.Y.S.T.A. Reputation: 23 Number of posts: 1759 Location: Manchester [9D]: -Keisuke- / -------[--o / alunaSAN [JD]: ViRuSaLeRt,
 | Subject: The right to life carries with it the right to death... Thu Dec 18, 2008 5:49 pm | |
| I thought this would be interesting to discuss (and not just because i need some insight into what other people think for an essay  ) Seriously its a good topic to discuss and also get an insight into religious and personal beliefs. What do you guys think? Should people be given the right to death (which is not allowed here in the uk but elsewhere it is)? |
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DizordA Expert Noob - Level 0


Title: King of all Spammers Attribute: Bar Brawler Reputation: 1170 Number of posts: 9219 Location: swedish part of babylon Me?: PsychoRastaSkinHead!
 | Subject: Re: The right to life carries with it the right to death... Thu Dec 18, 2008 6:42 pm | |
| Hmm... you mean like a old guy at hospital who wants to die and the doctor should help him?
If it such things you mean I will spam some later... (Dont want to spam something completly off topic) _________________ Since 30 July 2007 I had DESTINY above my head
When there is no hope, I'll smoke some crack, I'll shoot some dope! When theres no enemies, I sit and stare at my T.V. and in my ignorance, I'll be a slave and sycophant!
Fact:When the Chuck Norris goes to sleep every night he checks his closet for Fedor.
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ViRuSaLeRt Noob Student - Level 3


Title: Pinky and the Brain
Memba of G.A.Y.S.T.A. Reputation: 23 Number of posts: 1759 Location: Manchester [9D]: -Keisuke- / -------[--o / alunaSAN [JD]: ViRuSaLeRt,
 | Subject: Re: The right to life carries with it the right to death... Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:42 am | |
| I thought it would be that Satanhas, I have just been given that one line and i just got to write a short essay on it.
I don't think it's old people that want to die but the people who are very ill and want to end their lives (ie paralysis) but then this gives rise to old people wanting to die because they may feel they are a burden on their family?
Dunno, the more info i get, the better! |
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ViRuSaLeRt Noob Student - Level 3


Title: Pinky and the Brain
Memba of G.A.Y.S.T.A. Reputation: 23 Number of posts: 1759 Location: Manchester [9D]: -Keisuke- / -------[--o / alunaSAN [JD]: ViRuSaLeRt,
 | Subject: Re: The right to life carries with it the right to death... Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:47 am | |
| I believe its called euthanasia ... |
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DizordA Expert Noob - Level 0


Title: King of all Spammers Attribute: Bar Brawler Reputation: 1170 Number of posts: 9219 Location: swedish part of babylon Me?: PsychoRastaSkinHead!
 | Subject: Re: The right to life carries with it the right to death... Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:56 pm | |
| Hmm...
I dont have alot of time to spam... but tomorrow Ill spam something. _________________ Since 30 July 2007 I had DESTINY above my head
When there is no hope, I'll smoke some crack, I'll shoot some dope! When theres no enemies, I sit and stare at my T.V. and in my ignorance, I'll be a slave and sycophant!
Fact:When the Chuck Norris goes to sleep every night he checks his closet for Fedor.
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Yao Noob Student - Level 1


Title: MLTR Fan Reputation: 74 Number of posts: 1334 Location: Canada [9D]: [Yinn] - retired, Feya [FW]: Yao - retired
 | Subject: Re: The right to life carries with it the right to death... Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:11 pm | |
| The topic is inconspicious. You certainly have the right to live freely as you want, but being born and being dead are entirely different concepts.
When one person is alive, then that person has the right to live - that's it. That person does not have the right to be born or to be dead.
Birth is "given" - if you believe in God; or birth is "a continuation" - if you believe in karma and the law of cause & effect. Death is also "given" - in the context of God, or "pre-destined" ie: karma.
If anyone has the right to death, then he/she would live forever since nobody wanna die. Unfortunately, death is beyond our control; therefore, it is not within our right to control death.
For people attempting suicide, and thinking that they are controlling their own death; the reality is that death is controlling them. |
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Xs Certified Noob - Level 5


Title: Irrelevant Attribute: *Affected by Stun Attack by Warmir* Reputation: 422 Number of posts: 4905 Location: Pakistan [9D]: Xss [JD]: XsDenied [FW]: XsDenied Me?: What I've felt, what I've known, turn the pages, turn to stone...
 | Subject: Re: The right to life carries with it the right to death... Sun Dec 21, 2008 8:22 pm | |
| very well said Triss ...
However, i believe what the topic is really attempting to dissect is (rightfully identified by keisuke) euthanasia ...
issue with it is ... that machines allow man today to be kept "alive" artificially on machines though he might be brain dead ... the problem for this entire debate is what do you consider alive ... i.e. where do you draw the line?
Is a baby who can't walk/talk/comprehend/make informed decisions alive? is a grown up who can walk/talk/comprehend/make decisions alive? is a person who got into an accident and is fully paralyzed but can talk and listen and comprehend alive? is a person who can't walk or talk but can comprehend alive? and then how can you ascertain their ability to comprehend? is a person who is simply a vegetable and is termed brain dead ... alive?
So which one is alive? and why is the last one generally considered to be not alive in comparison to the first? simply because statistically the babies grow out of that stage more often then the other?
the other aspect of it is suffering ... euthanasia is also considered for people who have been deemed terminal, or in immense unrecoverable pain ...
a teenager who just went through a break up also thinks his/her life has ended ... and quite a few folk here in destiny can vouch for that (i know cuz i know the tales) but as we all later learn ... you get by ...
then comes the ultimate debate where this topic brings you to ...
If you are alive, and you have the right to do whatever you want with your life, then why is ending it not in your hand? (countries which allow it also allow you to dictate that yourself i.e. what to do in-case you become dependent on machines to live)
This is why i believe is something which should be left to the individuals themselves
Though, yes a person might not know what is good for them or not ... and yes it is impossible to draw a ethically/religiously/morally acceptable line on what is "dead" or "alive" ... BUT if a person wants to take the easy way out then who are we to stop them ... after all with all the pro-capitalism world and 4% of the worlds population making 85% of its money ... ain't that what they are doing and isn't that what we are allowing? _________________  "The worst thing in life is attachment, it hurts when you lose it. The best thing in life is loneliness, it teaches you everything and when you lose it, you get everything."
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ViRuSaLeRt Noob Student - Level 3


Title: Pinky and the Brain
Memba of G.A.Y.S.T.A. Reputation: 23 Number of posts: 1759 Location: Manchester [9D]: -Keisuke- / -------[--o / alunaSAN [JD]: ViRuSaLeRt,
 | Subject: Re: The right to life carries with it the right to death... Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:45 pm | |
| | Xs wrote: | very well said Triss ...
However, i believe what the topic is really attempting to dissect is (rightfully identified by keisuke) euthanasia ...
issue with it is ... that machines allow man today to be kept "alive" artificially on machines though he might be brain dead ... the problem for this entire debate is what do you consider alive ... i.e. where do you draw the line?
Is a baby who can't walk/talk/comprehend/make informed decisions alive? is a grown up who can walk/talk/comprehend/make decisions alive? is a person who got into an accident and is fully paralyzed but can talk and listen and comprehend alive? is a person who can't walk or talk but can comprehend alive? and then how can you ascertain their ability to comprehend? is a person who is simply a vegetable and is termed brain dead ... alive?
So which one is alive? and why is the last one generally considered to be not alive in comparison to the first? simply because statistically the babies grow out of that stage more often then the other?
the other aspect of it is suffering ... euthanasia is also considered for people who have been deemed terminal, or in immense unrecoverable pain ...
a teenager who just went through a break up also thinks his/her life has ended ... and quite a few folk here in destiny can vouch for that (i know cuz i know the tales) but as we all later learn ... you get by ...
then comes the ultimate debate where this topic brings you to ...
If you are alive, and you have the right to do whatever you want with your life, then why is ending it not in your hand? (countries which allow it also allow you to dictate that yourself i.e. what to do in-case you become dependent on machines to live)
This is why i believe is something which should be left to the individuals themselves
Though, yes a person might not know what is good for them or not ... and yes it is impossible to draw a ethically/religiously/morally acceptable line on what is "dead" or "alive" ... BUT if a person wants to take the easy way out then who are we to stop them ... after all with all the pro-capitalism world and 4% of the worlds population making 85% of its money ... ain't that what they are doing and isn't that what we are allowing? |
But then with that comes the question of wether the person is 'fit' to make a decision for themselves doesn't it? |
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Xs Certified Noob - Level 5


Title: Irrelevant Attribute: *Affected by Stun Attack by Warmir* Reputation: 422 Number of posts: 4905 Location: Pakistan [9D]: Xss [JD]: XsDenied [FW]: XsDenied Me?: What I've felt, what I've known, turn the pages, turn to stone...
 | Subject: Re: The right to life carries with it the right to death... Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:03 pm | |
| well, the legal standing for this should be able to cover it easily ... those individuals who are not considered mentally challenged should be able to make this decision ...
and yes, there is a standing legal definition for "mentally stable" as unstable people are not allowed to enter into contracts ... _________________  "The worst thing in life is attachment, it hurts when you lose it. The best thing in life is loneliness, it teaches you everything and when you lose it, you get everything."
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ViRuSaLeRt Noob Student - Level 3


Title: Pinky and the Brain
Memba of G.A.Y.S.T.A. Reputation: 23 Number of posts: 1759 Location: Manchester [9D]: -Keisuke- / -------[--o / alunaSAN [JD]: ViRuSaLeRt,
 | Subject: Re: The right to life carries with it the right to death... Fri Dec 26, 2008 10:42 pm | |
| | Xs wrote: | | Is a person who is simply a vegetable and is termed brain dead ... alive? |
I found out about something called 'Persistent Vegetative State' (PVS) but this isn't considered dead...
But 'Brain Dead' is legally considered dead (?)
Back to the reason i started this topic (for an essay) what do YOU think? |
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ViRuSaLeRt Noob Student - Level 3


Title: Pinky and the Brain
Memba of G.A.Y.S.T.A. Reputation: 23 Number of posts: 1759 Location: Manchester [9D]: -Keisuke- / -------[--o / alunaSAN [JD]: ViRuSaLeRt,
 | Subject: Re: The right to life carries with it the right to death... Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:37 am | |
| Another twist...this could be about suicide, right? I was only given that sentence/phrase and told to write about it  |
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Xs Certified Noob - Level 5


Title: Irrelevant Attribute: *Affected by Stun Attack by Warmir* Reputation: 422 Number of posts: 4905 Location: Pakistan [9D]: Xss [JD]: XsDenied [FW]: XsDenied Me?: What I've felt, what I've known, turn the pages, turn to stone...
 | Subject: Re: The right to life carries with it the right to death... Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:39 am | |
| yeah ... it could be bout suicide ... and you need to talk about both aspects of it ...
and if you work your arguments well you could use this to your advantage ... how can you draw the line between suicide and euthanasia ...
if you have to discuss this verbally, then you can work people's emotions ... but if you want to write an essay bout it then it'll be more difficult but doable ... to draw people on either side ... _________________  "The worst thing in life is attachment, it hurts when you lose it. The best thing in life is loneliness, it teaches you everything and when you lose it, you get everything."
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ViRuSaLeRt Noob Student - Level 3


Title: Pinky and the Brain
Memba of G.A.Y.S.T.A. Reputation: 23 Number of posts: 1759 Location: Manchester [9D]: -Keisuke- / -------[--o / alunaSAN [JD]: ViRuSaLeRt,
 | Subject: Re: The right to life carries with it the right to death... Thu Jan 08, 2009 3:56 pm | |
| Ye i gotta write an essay before i have an interview at a pretty big-name university here. I was just sat for 1.5 hours and wrote 3 lines...
Got until feb 9th though. |
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Yao Noob Student - Level 1


Title: MLTR Fan Reputation: 74 Number of posts: 1334 Location: Canada [9D]: [Yinn] - retired, Feya [FW]: Yao - retired
 | Subject: Re: The right to life carries with it the right to death... Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:39 am | |
| Yes, suicide is illegal... so is aiding in suicide  |
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Xs Certified Noob - Level 5


Title: Irrelevant Attribute: *Affected by Stun Attack by Warmir* Reputation: 422 Number of posts: 4905 Location: Pakistan [9D]: Xss [JD]: XsDenied [FW]: XsDenied Me?: What I've felt, what I've known, turn the pages, turn to stone...
 | Subject: Re: The right to life carries with it the right to death... Sat Jan 10, 2009 3:02 pm | |
| ok ... so what side are you leaning towards? i'll come up with a guideline for you to write from that perspective ... _________________  "The worst thing in life is attachment, it hurts when you lose it. The best thing in life is loneliness, it teaches you everything and when you lose it, you get everything."
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ViRuSaLeRt Noob Student - Level 3


Title: Pinky and the Brain
Memba of G.A.Y.S.T.A. Reputation: 23 Number of posts: 1759 Location: Manchester [9D]: -Keisuke- / -------[--o / alunaSAN [JD]: ViRuSaLeRt,
 | Subject: Re: The right to life carries with it the right to death... Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:58 pm | |
| Thats the thing thats got me confused, i don't know which perspective to write from...
The letter they sent me says: You will not be assessed on your knowledge of the subject but the ability to structure information in a logical way. (along these lines, not exact words XD) |
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