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That bitch got pwned but they 1st guy! 2nd guy was just funny.

But I believe these videos are bad especially if the "sheeps" watch it. Although one funny sheep video is this one which makes me laugh hard everytime I see it:



This one is also funny!

hahhaahahahaha the first one is soo retard!

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1:29 when she blames the muslims for everything.

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CZ is the most funniest language.

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Since she's talking about middle age mentality and then blames muslims claiming they started I believe is also middle age mentality. I think you understand what I mean when I think she got pwned!

I danish sound similiar with german but regular danish and regular swedish is very similiar but I said hillbilly danish which is very different.

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Then we disagree because I see her (and the rest of the world) to have the same mentality. In her example she's attacking a religion with 500-600 ppl saying they started. 1st of all to put together all those millions as exactly same kind of ppl with the same mentality is just lame and she should have realised it cant be done. If that would be possible then we wouold also be labeling all christians, jews or whatever and that would also end up f@cked.

About danish I couldnt find any good vid but this was the best I could find but its acting and not real. + Its supposed hillbilly danish vs regular danish.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mOy8VUEBk

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I meant 500-600 millions but typed wrong. Religion itself isnt dangerous only the leaders who abuse it to gain power are dangerous.

Islam isnt more dangerous than any other religion especially not christianity and judaism. Ive read both the quoran and the bible and if you ask me its the same sh!t. Both book got parts were they justify "killing infidels". In the bible God even gives the jews "molotov cocktails" dunno english word but its like a jar filled with oil and fire threwn at the infidels given to [forgot name] when he's supposed to fight back the invaders in his country given to him by god.

If you read those whole 2 books you will see its the same. Not just reading a small text taking out of its context saying death to infidels read both whole books.

Extremists could be find in all religions. The jews got Israel and the sionists, Christians got Ireland. Sharia is also very extreme from my point of view but still I never barely met anyone who actually practised it in real life. In my 1st school class when I started school in '95 we were 18 kids, 7 swedish and 11 muslims (10 bosnians, 1 lebanese) and non of them practised sharia but were religious. Same thing when I grew up. Sweden is estimated to have around 500 000 muslims which is 1/20 of Swedens population I met alot of muslims but never anyone who practiced sharia.

Islam isnt a religion with more racism than christianity or judaism. Same sh!t if you ask me.

Left wings always been anti religion no matter what religion it is. Ive also been in AFA back then we didnt hesitate to bash any fascist no matter which religion he had. Sometimes we did bash local arabs once they said some sh!t about women or gay ppl.

I dont know anything about Saudia Arabia except thats supposed to be "Bin Ladens" home country.

The only thing I know about UAE is that one of their Princes own 10% of the UFC and the event UFC 112 where in Abu dhabi. I also know that UAE is the grappling(wresling, judo, sambo) capitol of the world since the mid 90's because of Abu Dhabi Combat Club(ADCC). UAE seems like a nice country if you ask me but thats maybe because Im a mma junkie.

When we come to Europe we got lots of countries who been having Laws against discrimination because of somebody's religion. In France they did it after their revolution in Sweden we had it since the 1500's.

In sweden we have a retard called Lars Vilks who got famous for painting Muhammed as a dog. He been attacked several times by extremists and all the time those extremists been thrown in jail. Freedom of speech in Sweden is as holy the freedom of having whichever religion you want.

We also had a case of muslims attacking jews they also ended up in jail because the jews got the rights to have whichever religion they want.

I also think Swiss did wrong and its bad to discrimnate people because of their religion. I believe those muslims should have their right to practice their religion wherever they want.

I never said sharia was something good I never liked it but what I meant was that not everyone follows the sharia laws.

I know middle east doesnt like other religions but I dont think that means we have to do the same.

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No offence intended to any person of the ANY faith in what I'm going to say now. I'll try not to be offensive at all. If you feel offended PLEASE point it out in this thread.

First off, the woman speaks well, very well chosen words to reflect a premeditated thought pattern and selection of rebuttals. I've done enough debates in my younger years to be able to spot a rebuttal when I see one. Its even more funny when I spot a rebuttal which comes off as premeditated.

No, I'm not saying she is right and I'm not saying she is wrong.

Before I get into the details of what she actually said, What is the difference between me going on about something and her going on about it? Her background? So basically because she is a Psychologist that gives her a better understanding of the human thinking processes? Yes, it should. Her grades and schooling background and resume would give a better reflection of how well she understands the thinking process but no point in getting into that. That would be me making this personal. This ain't personal at all. (No sarcasm)

One key thing about the science of Psychology it is based on numbers. Stephen Hawking in a "Brief History of time" simplified the process for any scientific hypothesis to be legitimate. "If a theory works 1 billion times, it hold true. But if a theory is flawed on even a single event it fails to be a scientifically correct theory and editing is required to make it better understand the universe." Thats the jist of it. Now since Psychology is based on statistics and numbers. The source of which is primarily research and experimentation. The facts of the matter should be very important for this particular Psychologist right?? Sadly I don't think so. If you study a little comparative religion, you'll see that there are only 3 religions considered to be divine religions. These also happen to be the most followed religions in the world at this point in time. (Divine religions doesn't mean they are correct or incorrect, simply that they claim that their guidance comes from a higher level, i.e. the divine books) These are, Judaism, Christianity and Islam. (in order of their creation) Christianity has the maximum number of followers with Islam a #2 on number of followers. Lets just say there are a billion people following Islam (or claiming to).

What is the size of this Islamic population which is presently fighting the "west"? If someone even thinks anything over 1-2 million I'd appreciate a CREDIBLE source which gives numbers.

So, is there NO statistical relevance to claim this as a religiously motivated war? Sadly there isn't.

No, I'm not saying she is right and I'm not saying she is wrong, but I'm getting there

So Ms. Wafa, who is an arab-american shrink. Is NOT speaking out of the basis of her scientific background. Whats left? arab-american? Dual nationality? Dual origins? 2 countries? Nope, not even 2 countries. Yes, its 2 regions of the world.

So lets move onto her claim. That this is a clash of civilizations. Clash of civilizations was a term dubbed by Samuel in the 1990s (like asked by the other guy) However, this includes, as part of its very thesis, the cultural differences which go with the geographically different regions of the world. She's NOT talked about cultural differences, she's NOT talked about the ACTUAL POINTS, she's NOT talked about the bone of contention between the 2 points of view, However she says that this is a clash of civilization. Meh. Lets just all call her a genius. Does that make her one??? Lets just all call her a man, does that make her a man? Lets all say I have super powers and can fly, does that mean I can fly??? NO!!! Thats the point here, no basis for using that claim. However, if she is politically involved and wants to get votes from the anti-war people, its a good perspective to have. right?

Lets move onto her 2nd claim. A clash of 2 eras. 2 ers's of what? Same millenium? yes. Same century? yes. Same decade? yes. 2 era's?? Scientifically that statement is worthless and baseless. However its a good way to raise the preset emotional response by the first claim.

Clash of a mentality which belongs in the middle ages and another which belongs to the 21st century.
Very likely and this does a better thing as it explains the prior claim. Well put. However, one question. Which is which? Lets look at the Islamic thinking in the middle ages and what the Caliphate did during those times. They invented soap, perfume, mathematics and physics involvement, use of science to build better warfare tactics especially to fight the crusaders and so on.
On the other hand, we have the Vatican middle ages, so let see, waged war for a land that wasn't theirs, so they were fighting a war using Europe's military for a land that the Jews wanted. Scientists were burnt alive at the stake because they were either considered witches, wizards or followers of the "Dark arts". Note, its still called the Dark arts. Note 2. According to the document which Israel claims as its declaration of independence. (post the world war) They were to live there WITH the natives to the lands. So that ain't happening.

Today the pages are literally flipped. Vatican countries are more scientifically advanced. The Islamic nations haven't done any break throughs when it comes to warfare recently. Proof of that lies in the sheer fact that Pakistan is the ONLY nuclear power in the world which is of a muslim majority. So which is which again??

I think we can chalk this statement up to "invoke emotional response" based on the first claim. (So far she's got 0 valid claims and 3 attempts to provoke an emotional response)

Civilized and primitive. Nukes aren't primitive. American educational system is HORRIBLE on the global standing. And once again a definitive stance can't be established. Which is which?

So far: Fact Zero, Provoking Emotion attempt Four.

Freedom and oppression, democracy and dictatorship, human rights on one hand and the violation of the same on the second hand This is my favorite. :)
Freedom of what?? At this point in time, an american has NO CIVIL RIGHTS. And yes, the first amendment has been put on hold. i.e. ANYONE Can be searched, arrested, and detained for an indefinite period without even a warrant. There is a very important phrase in law which is "beyond all reasonable doubt". That has been now thrown outta the window. Similar laws have been passed in UK. In both the countries the basis is "National Security matters". So who is free again?? Oh she must've meant the Vatican countries. But since she's speaking against the muslims in this speech, I'll leave this first half of the first half. Also, She means the muslims being the oppressed ones. and I agree with her entirely. However, who is oppressing the muslims?? and here is another favorite of mine. The christians aren't the ones oppressing the muslims!

So lemme get this right? She's calling the Vatican countries "democratic" (since thats the assumed good one) and Muslims "dictatorships". Are you trying to tell me the americans WANTED to have no liberties, no freedom of speech and no rights of any kind? I doubt it. so that means it isn't the democracy, right? Under the same rules, neither is uk, right? interesting .... Which muslim country is under a dictatorship whereby all civil rights have been suspended among other things?? None by my account but I could be wrong. Do let me know. :)

So now ... we're looking at Scientific Facts Zero, Provoking Emotional response Seven. (this one is 3 claims in one go that I handled)

Those who treat women like beasts and those who treat them like human beings Yeah yeah feminists I see you are looking hard at this point.

So Who are the ones that treat women like beasts? I would assume she's referring to the Taliban, since thats the basis for everything these days. So lets examine this very proactive claim.
Are muslims allowed to have strip clubs? No.
Are muslim women allowed to be prostitutes? No.
Are muslim men (as per the Quran) required to "Lower your gaze and guard your modesty" as a matter of respecting women for their entirety and NOT objectifying them? YES!

Does Christianity allow these things? No.
Does America? yes.
Does UK. Yes
In Thailand I remember until a couple of years ago the parliament used to thank its women (prostitutes) during the budget each year for bringing in business.

So then what is she talking about? Oh, she must mean the muslim women not being allowed to educate themselves!

Does Islam allow its women to educate themselves? YES! (Prophet's wives, all educated, Daughter too)
Does Islam allow its women to do business? YES! (Prophets wife, and mother of her daughter, businesswoman)
Does Islam allow its women to own properties? YES! (Again, Prophets wife and mother of her daughter owned lots of stuff)
Does Islam allow its women to interact with men? YES! (Yes, Prophets wives conducted many discussions with men and in some instances even accompanied the army in order to give morale boosting speeches to the army, and yes some of the prophets friends objected to this following which Divine Revelations happened which gave women rights in Islam making them 100% equal in Islam)

And since I'm busy asking questions here ... I'll ask one last one on this topic.

Did you know that Islamic Law (the Shariah) gives more rights to a woman than even the Laws of any other nation in the world?

No there was NO feminist movement in islamic countries for women. Because they didn't need it. America needed it. To be honest, it still does! I'm ashamed at the number of women claiming to be feminist, don't know what it means. I'm surprized at the number of women who say they aren't getting equal rights but want me to pull a chair and open the door for them. The custom of opening a door for a woman or pulling a chair for her lies deeply rooted in the thinking that the woman can't do even simple tasks for herself. Try opening a door or pulling a chair for a true feminist. She'll get angry and will feel insulted.

So at this point. Scientific Facts Zero, Provoking Emotional response Eight.

Civilizations do not clash, but compete
This is so true. The 1000year old battle in Jerusalem which still hasn't ended is a competition. Winner gets a lapdance from a really fat man! right?
And no the Americans never went to war with the Japanese!
There wasn't a cold war between soviet and USA!
There was no rebellion in north america from the British rule causing their independence!
The person who created the movie 300 was on weed and wanted to have sex with a hermaphrodite!

So lemme cut this short. Cultural and social differences exist. One civilization doesn't understand the things the other one does differently and so calls it "the dark arts". So, their ignoracne and lack of knowledge causes the leaders to capitalize on this ignorance and clash!

So at this point. Scientific Facts Zero, Provoking Emotional response Nine.

patriota_PL wrote:

That is not "everything" and 1st clash was started by christians 2nd by muslims. What is a big deal?

Actually, I'm sorry but I'll have to correct you there. The 1st clash was started by the Jews. The second by Christians and the "rebellion" by the muslims. 1 and 2 happened for 1000 years. 3 started about 60ish years ago at max.

The big deal here is simple. This is everything :P Everything in her speech is Provoking Emotional Responses through using Key words. Nothing else.

1:09 - 1:16: The guys also has the same question that I do. So clarifies this confusion of "claims"

So yeah .. 10 seconds after saying its NOT a clash, she says it is a clash! Awesome!!!

Still at this point. Scientific Facts Zero, Provoking Emotional response Eight.

The guy asks at 1:29(ish) Who started using the expression Clash of Civilizations? and bases this on actual names
Very good. She responds with NO claims. Other then what the Prophet supposedly said.

I have one fundamental flaw in this claim of hers. The prophet said this (a) when (b) to whom? who did that person tell it to? who did he repeat it to? what did he say to the next person? and so on.... I guess you have to have NEVER heard of the term Chinese Whisper to say this statement is correct. Because there is a fundamental flaw in this claim.
"He who kills one innocent man, has killed the whole of humanity, he who has saved even one innocent man has saved the whole of humanity" Thats another saying. This contradicts the first one. However in light of the Quran, which is unedited to-date. (since God promised it and thats the basis here ain't it) The second saying stands true. The first incorrect.

So the guy talks in pure facts. The women responds with Chinese whisper. Interesting.

Once again Scientific Facts Zero, Provoking Emotional response Nine.

People of the book
Yes, Islamically valid term. However I don't think she understands the context by which it is implied. From the Islamic Perspective, there were 5 books revealed onto humanity. Adam's (lost), Moses' (Torah) David's (Zabur/Psalms), Jesus' (Injil/Gospel), Muhammad's (Quran). From the Islamic perspective, the God for each of these religions is the same god. According to Islam, Moses was a prophet of the same god, so was David, so was Jesus (Islamically he's not percieved as the Son of God but as his prophet), and Muhammad being the last prophet of the total 124,000 prophets sent throughout time.

I don't think she gets this cuz she says the muslims read "their" books. Science and all, Was Aristotle a Christian? Newton is said to be Illuminati (and don't even get me started on the Illuminati), and we have no recollection of the texts pre-Jesus. With the exception of the Chinese texts, which are very relevant and the basis for many "western" philosophies/sciences. So what does she mean when she says the muslims read "their" books? I've read the Art of War and I know for a fact that Sun Tzu wasn't christian he was around a few hundred (or was it thousand) years before Jesus' time. I've also read a little of the Hikalah. But that was Moses' and he was a muslim prophet. I've also done my share of study of wicca and satanism but those aren't Vatican at all.

So lemme get this straight. Scientific Facts Zero, Provoking Emotional response Ten.

Fruit of their free and creative thinking
Free, as i've said above. They ain't free today. None of us are.
Creative thinking? Currently major USA companies are thinking of outsourcing their marketing departments to India. So I'd have to say they are more Creative than the others. Who is they here?
Yes, America did gimme Philip Morris and its wonderful Marlboro (which I love). It also gave me Windows 95 (which is rumored to have been given free as a promo. Delivery being through the FBI agents because it also gave the american Govt loopholes into the system. but thats a rumor so I won't count that) It also gave me a new definition of Obesity. So that less people would be considered affected by the disease. It also gave me wonderful statistics which show that more people die of cigarettes and alcohol each year than by wars.

Sorry I got lost here. what was the fruit of their "free" and "creative" thinking again? Animations are sourced to china/korea since they can kick their asses at it. Comparing art of China/Japan to USA/EU would be a joke to say the least since China/Japan even converted warfare into arts because mere canvas wouldn't do it justice.

AHA! This isn't a factual claim once again ... this is another EVIL trick by her!!! Scientific Facts Zero, Provoking Emotional response Eleven.


hmmmmmmmmmmm I like this next statement
She says (at 3:14) I am not a Christian, a Muslim, or a Jew. I am a secular Human being. I do not believe in the supernatural, but I respect others' right to believe in it.
For those who don't know ... (thanks to Wiki) Secularity (adjective form secular) is the state of being separate from religion.
(again thanks to wiki) Secular Humanism is a secular philosophy that espouses reason, ethics, and justice, and specifically rejects supernatural and religious dogma as the basis of morality and decision-making. Secular Humanism is a life stance that focuses on the way human beings can lead good, happy and functional lives. ( I recommend you see the Source )
The term is often associated with Atheism and given that this particular faction relies on Science and the belief that all human are innately good. She's fallen short of this claim right here. Now the simple hypothesis could be that she wants to gain attention and improve her social and political standing by being "different" seems to hold true. Cuz this current falty claim included. We stand at Scientific Facts Zero, Provoking Emotional response Twelve.

03:26 the man asks her if she's a heretic? This is immediately after the previous claim that she just made of believing that all humans are innately good and religion is nothing more than dogma. (based on her claim to be a Secular Human)

So lets see what a heretic is. "Heresy is a controversial or novel change to a system of beliefs, especially a religion, that conflicts with established dogma." and whoever commits heresy is a heretic. Most of the sects (of any religion) refer to the other sects as heretics.

I love the fact that we have this on Video cuz I can see every facial movement on her face with it. :))))

Look at 03:25~03:26 for her reactions.
1. Silence 2. her eyebrows go up! So yes she wasn't expecting this. Then eyes close for the response and she says "you can say whatever you like" with her head shaking no. (Lie to me FTWWWW)

03:28 she repeats herself again. So yeah even she doesn't believe what she's saying is the truth.

ROTFLMAO!!

~04:10: The jews have forced the world to respect them with their knowledge and not their terror.
To whoever is still reading this rant of mine. Can I FORCE you to respect me?
Did Jesus force humanity to respect him?
Did Moses force the slaves to respect him?
Did Muhammad force the people to respect him?

For a second, forget about all 3 of them. Considering God is Omnipotent (i.e. all powerful) Did he force us to worship him? He could've! But he didn't. Yeah we'll get a spanking later if we don't but at this point he ain't forcing us heck, no repercussions in this lifetime of our actions from him. (depending on which faith/sect/analytical style you follow).

BUT She says the Jews forced the world to respect them. amazing... truly amazing. I couldn't agree more!!!

They are the chosen ones. This is so true.......

Just one question.
What knowledge did they use (which neither God nor their Prophet used) to force us into respecting them????????

ok fine ... 2 questions ...
They didn't use terror? So the crusades were the King of England's idea and not forced onto him by the church? So the atrocities and human liberties violated DAILY in Israel are NOT their doings but George W. Bush's? Oh no wait. I see the truth now ... It must be Bin Laden who does the cool bloodbaths in Israel and it must be them darn Arab Sheikh's who run the banking cartels. Ok ok ok ok ok ok ... BUT JUST ONE SECOND!!! You mean to say that the Central American Bank is owned by the government and not by private parties???

Ok I'm done with the sarcasm .... and I'm particularly in a crap mood right now. Cuz this "very" smart woman spoke for about 4mins 28 seconds and I've now spent about 3 hours on this response of mine.

p.s. why the F*** does she go on and on and on about burning churches???
I'm sure we didn't create the fucking Ku Klux Klan which torched crosses and burnt killed and maimed the black people in america!

I'm also sure Madonna isn't a muslim since she did one music video naked and burnt a church and cross in another.

I've lost count of how many baseless things this "educated" woman said.
I've lost count of how many factless "facts' she's said.

I do have a count of two things though ...

Scientific Facts Zero, Provoking Emotional response fourteen. if you think she says something meaningful other than this please highlight it so I can rip it up into the (i'm guessing) politically inclined emotion provoking sentiment which it was.

She did move me with her last statement. Of asking myself what I can do for people to respect me. I'll stop talking like the attention hungry, anger proving, ignorant emo that she is! Maybe someone will like me then!

FINE PRINT:
This is the theology section. I don't mean disrespect to Vatican. No disrespect to Moses, Jesus, Muhammad (Peace be upon them all and may God be pleased with them). This discussion is intended for open minds. The basis for it is that my mind is also open. Infact I welcome rebuttals. It shows that you are right and I am wrong and each time I am wrong I get to learn something making me better than before.

Rebuttals are welcome and encouraged.

damnit, and i love to read whole Xs stuff ,he every time write! Also religions  stays the fact , at which they are born.

wow at first i stopped reading the post because they we're senseless for me and then Xs went berserk and did that O.O (big ass post)

Sorry for double post. Last one got a little too long.

DizordA wrote:

I never said sharia was something good I never liked it but what I meant was that not everyone follows the sharia laws. I know middle east doesnt like other religions but I dont think that means we have to do the same.

[GM]Invoker wrote:

Quote: I dont think that means we have to do the same. ofc we do have to do same, to show em how they suck.

Just one flaw in what you 2 are on about. MiddleEast not liking other religions possible I don't know tbh. BUT as far as Islam goes. Jesus is a prophet of Islam. His followers worship the same god. Islam vs. Christianity ain't there. Heck, accoring the Christian Belief system. They are waiting for a prophet.
No Islam Vs. Judaism either! Moses was a prophet according to Islam too. They are writing for their next prophet too.

According to Judaism. They are correct and Christianity and Islam are WRONG.
According to Christianity. They are correct, so are the Jews. But Islam is WRONG.
According to Islam. Judaism is respected and agreed they worship the same god. Christianity is correct and they too worship the same God.

To be honest, by that analysis of the basic principles alone. Islam is the smallest enemy to either here and Judaism seems to be the biggest enemy. Sadly the religions aren't in err. Their followers just don't know what Moses, Jesus and Muhammad said to be able to compare notes. Why? No original notes from Moses. (except 10 commandments). No original citations of Jesus (bible was written during Constantine's time and later). No 100% authentic citations of what Muhammad said but tons of speculation about it. However, they do have the 100% unedited Quran but nothing to compare it with.

patriota_PL wrote:

In Saudi Arabia you cannot build churches and possesing bible is illegal. UAE is same. Medieval like countries which should have dissapeared ages ago. Actually Iraq is more muslim than it was before... before invasion there were even gayclubs in Baghdad because political police held fundamentalists' necks in an iron grip. Problem is that western people say like you "we don't have to do the same" actually we have to because muslims now think that everything should be given to them. WE NEED TO REMIND THEM THAT THEY HAVE TO RESPECT OUR LAWS IF THEY COME TO EUROPE. So no Sharia courts. Satan Bosnian etc muslims are not so big problem. Problem is when thousands of muslims from north african region arrives in europe because retarted Frontex (EU Border Guard) cannot stop them. These are dangerous muslims.

Actually if you are non-muslim you can't go to Mecca. In-fact, if you don't belong to a particular sect you can't go there either. (Mecca is where a muslim has to go for pilgrimage and thats a MUST on muslims)
However, If you not a Christian. You can't be a citizen of Vatican.
However, the Vatican is not taxible.
However, the Vatican is a separate country.

So what's your point here?

Oh yes ... respecting the european laws. That i'm for 100%. (no sarcasm at all)

However, one would expect the same from the forces in Afghanistan wouldn't they? I mean I must be wrong in my assumptions when I see (40ftx20ft) shipping containers full of condoms being shipped to Kabul through Pakistan. They wouldn't do the afghan women. They didn't "do" the Korean women during the Korean war. They didn't "do" the viet women during that war. and they certainly didn't do the Japanese women during that war. (Sarcasm and loads of it intended here)

Muslims who claim that everything should be given to them are NOT muslims.

Humans, do demand civil liberties.
Humans, do deserve rights.
Humans, do deserve freedom of expression and those many other freedoms that are there.

If someone who claims to be muslim tells you that things should be given to him, ask him what Ali got (Prophets son in law and cousin, also youngest of the first few converts (age 13)). Then ask him what God gave Muhammad who was exiled from his own hometown. Then ask him what did the first followers of Islam had. Then ask him what the first Imams (spiritual leaders after the Prophet's death) had which was either "given" to them or they "snatched" or "stole". If the idiot responds with anything other than silence tell him to get a little knowledge about his religion first before he can even earn the right to call himself a follower of Islam.

Neither, Moses, nor Jesus, nor Muhammad "got" anything free-of-cost from God. Hardship yes. Trouble yes. but such was their path. Why are they (religiously) considered better than the rest of mankind? Because in the face of that excruciating hardship, they persisted, and prevailed without lying cheating or deceiving anyone.

Tell him he can have your hardship, but you don't want to give up on that learning experience.
Tell him he can have the US Dollar. Which isn't even worth the paper it is printed upon. (French discovered it in the 80s, don't get me started on economics BUT that money isn't backed by Gold. 99% of other currencies are, thus the concept of devaluation and appreciation of currency)

OR

Tell him he can have air to breath. For that is one thing God has given him for free. Everything else, he has to earn, without being a lazy bum.

Maybe then, he can claim to be a Muslim.

So please. Don't stereotype the Muslim. :P Learn from the Stereotyping of the blacks.

(I suspect another form of KKK being formed which'll do the same to innocent Muslims what KKK did to the blacks. Hope I'm wrong though.)

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i'm dead at this point too.

I'll await your complete response, no worries no hurries

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hmm ever heard about the Hagia Sophia in Istanbul in Turkey? it used to be a christian church (built from dunno who but for sure no muslims) and the turks just changed it into a mosque.

What I meant about middle east doesnt like other religions is the amount of christians who comes to Sweden who got their homes burnt and such. They always say they get stalked because of their religion in the middle east. Although there's also lots of ppl from Pakistan who also claim this. There was also a local(my hometown) case with a 60 year old christian from Pakistan who lived in Sweden for some years but then got kicked out and murded after some months when he returned in Pakistan. Assyrians are also a very big group who fled from middle east because of their religion.

Now dont get me wrong I dont mean thats what muslims do with other religions in their own countries. Religion is just a excuse they are using to justify their actions.

patriota_PL wrote:

In Saudi Arabia you cannot build churches and possesing bible is illegal. UAE is same. Medieval like countries which should have dissapeared ages ago. Actually Iraq is more muslim than it was before... before invasion there were even gayclubs in Baghdad because political police held fundamentalists' necks in an iron grip. Problem is that western people say like you "we don't have to do the same" actually we have to because muslims now think that everything should be given to them. WE NEED TO REMIND THEM THAT THEY HAVE TO RESPECT OUR LAWS IF THEY COME TO EUROPE. So no Sharia courts. Satan Bosnian etc muslims are not so big problem. Problem is when thousands of muslims from north african region arrives in europe because retarted Frontex (EU Border Guard) cannot stop them. These are dangerous muslims.

Why do we have to do the same? We shouldnt attack people because of their religion trying to get rid of them. We shouldnt build Fort Europe to isolate ourselves from the rest of the world.

And what the f@ck are you talking about muslims have to respect our laws? If they break the law they get thrown in jail like everybody else they dont get any special treatment because of their religion. We dont have any sharia courts in Europe. UK got "sharia courts" but they are still illegal if they go against the UK laws. Muslims got the same rights as all other Europeans in Norway 90% of the prisoners got their origin from MENA. In Sweden the mayority of rapists also comes from MENA. What does that mean? It means they get thrown in Jail like all other criminals. They get the same treatment as everyone else.

Bosnian muslims are as much muslims like anyone from MENA just because you think the bosnians are "not as big problem" doesnt make them any less muslims.

Also EU is fucking retarded and attacks the rights of the European countries. EU is just a smaller wannabe version of the f@cked up US.

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